The lack of posturing and display of ego gives others the chance to have a "day in the sun," endearing the 12th house sun to the person they gave the chance to shine. Our composite sun is in the 7 house. The trauma you have experienced can be in relationships. It also governs much, much more, however. When transit Mercury is in the composite 12th house, you may refrain from expressing thoughts and opinions with one another until youre alone, just the two of you, and no one else around. We all find our gods where we can and must. But the problem with Neptune and XII house synastric connections, is that illusions seem to possess not your brain, but your flesh and soul. No one could share that kind of information with a person that he/she newly know. )~~~a reader with Sun in Neptune and Saturn and Mars both in 12th house. For him, its TOO many of his own issues. Juno is not only about romantic partnerships, but has to do with equality in general. Although Im aware this is only an illusion of my mind and nothing else , this illusion is so strong and so frequent that I ve at least learned to live with it and Ive given up struggling against it. It has been a very long journey! I can no longer approach love as wholeheartedly again. thank you for this article, im really having a hard time understanding the 12th house, as you concluded we all do.. and i dont know why, this last paragraph brought a tear to my eye.. because its so true, so well said. This will tell you the energy sounding the ending. Im afraid that you would need a full synastry reading in order to make sense of the situation for you and your wife. We have a composite 12th house sun mars and venus in Cancer! I dont know why im writing you this because uncounsciously know this relationship was all about love and let go. In composite, we have sun, mercury and part of fortune in the 12th. She becomes the energy that stands in our way even as she offers dark gifts. Whatever I told you would not have a context. I cant really comment without seeing the charts. So I had to find an answer without destroying so many other lives or breaking up relationships. One, that planets energy can be confused and diffused in their lives, especially when in difficult aspect to other things in the composite. You will both be changed deeply by it. Thank You for Your answer and best regards from Hungary! Sun/Uranus conjunct in the 1st. Thank you for such an eloquent understanding, this has helped me. Mars in the 12th can mean unconscious eroticism, aggression, or desire. Our Composite Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars and Jupiter are in the 12th, Gemini. Mine is conjunct with his moon. I am reasonably happy in my 3+ year marriage, and yet, I still miss my former boyfriend desperately sometimes. a strong karmic tie is indicated in the 12th house, or in the other water houses 4,8. We were happy plutonicay together. 12th House Meaning. Im sure your midpoint chart is valid if you had it read properly. With the composite 12th house in Aries, it may be difficult at times for you to take initiative together when needed, and instead that kicks in when youre moving together subconsciously. Im sure a lot of my readers have been there and sympathize with you completely. I am in a relationship with a man for 14 years in which we have an extremely strong synastry including my saturn conjunct his venus by degree, his saturn/node conjunct my sun/chiron by degree. In the end it was his choice to end it. North Node conjuncts Desc. My progressed Uranus will be in my 7th house for the rest of my life. 1. Its impossible to do one without composites or progressed composites. *Also in synastry- my Vesta conjunct NN in Gemini are the degree right before his Ascendant. such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible.! Lets put it this waythe Davison chart is a time/space chart; its reality is anchored in the actual midpoint between the times of birth and places of birth. A Venus in the 12th House man is a sweet, gentle, kind of person who likes to help both people and animals. I loved you from the first moment and that has never changed.) In the 10 years, he (who had been separated from his wife when we first met) went back to his wife, I got engaged to someone else but broke it off realizing I do not love my fiance, reconnected as just friends, and I eventually married someone else, with his blessings. Maybe someone else on the page will have an answer for you. I can say with absolute confidence that you perfectly captured the essence of this energy. I had to spend years unlearning what love is to me and settle with how individuals differ in what we value in a relationship. Much of the time, putting faith in one another brings you joy. Lilith square . They help us understand that our capacity to love is its own reward. Very exquisitely put. i dont know, looking at this chart, it has completely different emphasis, from my regular composite. The Pluto struggle with the ego and power will engage with the partners planetsin a positive way, the partner can become a guide. Composite The relationship is deep and beautiful and in periods hard for us to be with each other. the davison chart also has our moon, venus, saturn and uranus in the 1st. Its more complex than just the composite positions. I am surprised I did not find it and comment earlier, as I am still haunted by the same relationship 2 years after it ended. We have experienced together so much and it helps my mental developement so much and also your idea about loving and letting go interests me a lot. . New Classes and Courses Beginning In September! This placement suppresses your deep subconscious a lot. The Autumn Schedule is Here! Sadly, our Moon is square to Uranus and I suspect this might be one influence behind her decision to break off all contact with me. Transit Saturn in the Composite 12th House. I am 38 years old and have a Scorpio 12th house stellium (Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, and Neptune) so I am painfully, and blissfully, intimately aware of this energy. When we split up I cried every day for a month. She says that she has been uncertain about her attraction to me from the beginning and is just really confused because she does love me. It was a complicated, intense, spicy hot love affair that changed both of our lives. He knows me better than I know myself at times. MUCH APPRICIATED- i am forever greatful for your insights. In synastry, the house the Moon is in will show the area of life that someone touches another on a deep and personal level. Dear Dawn, I just see now, that accidentally I typed wrong Your name! I still remember very clearly how I felt 10 years ago when I first met my former boyfriend. I cannot really make that happen now I dont know why but Im still thinking that he is my faith or not, everything is very confused. Found the site while trying to decipher a stellium in a composite 12th house. In the Davison, we have Saturn, Moon, Pluto, and Venus Conjunct in the 12th house. And I read from Stephen Arroyo that it is so important to see the traditional rulers of the signs , for example in Aquarius is more important to see Saturn than Uranus. I never understood that statement could you put some light on it for me? Indeed, I felt the fear trampling along the edge with fear of insecurity. Looking at the chart, it seems to be propelling us into Aquarius, and Aquarian age type of love. I have a 12th house Capricorn stellium and my husband and I also have a composite 12th house Capricorn stellium. I like my husband as well after 20 years of marriage but I feel like I fell in this tragic love triangle story without asking for it! It is composed of the combined midpoints of each person's planets and angles. It isnt every case that the couple with a strong 12th house will break up. They represent different aspects of a relationship. Lilith in 12th House, Black Moon Lilith In Twelfth House; 1 Angel Number, 1 Angel Number Twin Flame. One valuable lesson I learned is to refrain being attached to an outcome with him. Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. In this relationship, you tend to agree to a no-obligation arrangement from the start. I might even say hes one of the closest people to me. This makes so much sense. Thoughts on this combo would be greatly appreciated by me. We are ignoring what the Source is asking us to do. Learn More. . We feel that very beautiful in our life! These are the couples who are magnetically attracted to one another and who, after making the necessary commitments, find themselves on strange and unfamiliar territory. hello, nice article Dawn. And 1 more thing HIS VENUS opposes my vertex and my sun, venus and mercury on his ASC conjucts his Venus! Please your opinion. He didnt want to commit/marry. i imagine these aspects can point to a past life where there was dominance in the work field isuees? The love you have for one another may be secret or private, and/or you are called upon to take a leap of faith in order to be with one another. I have 3 planets in my natal chart in 12th house (mercury,sun,mars) and we have 2 planets,which are identical in my natal(mercury and sun), in the composite chart in 12th house with someone who i talked for 6 months but we never dated.We also have our moon in pisces in 6th house. Overall the chart has a heavy emphasis on the 10-12 houses, and no planets at all in the 5-9 houses, with the exception of Chiron in the 8th house (which sextiles the MC and trines the Moon/Mars as well). Now we hate each other and nothing made sense. We could look at each other and read one anothers minds, but not in a way where you hear words or anything. I am so sad because I would have never meet him IF my husband and this man, and his wife would not become friends with him in church, ( I did not go to church for a while so I would not meet them!) i have it conjunct in our davison3rd house- and opposite in4th-10th in composite. It is commonly thought that the Moon governs emotions and intuition, and it does. Sun conjunct Neptune is a very difficult thing to live with in a composite chart. Its a huge task, but often one the 12th house couple is uniquely suited for. Now, what to think of this powerful symbolism in the composite chart? There are 12 houses of Nessus divided according to the sun signs, such as the rst house belongs to Aries, the second house to Taurus, and so on. Composite Houses, I'll begin, of course, with the Ascendant and the first quadrant of the chart. You have a strong synastry and a strong 1st house in the composite, and of course that makes a difference. . His north node in his 12th in pisces which means he will have to travel from a more material existence to a spiritual one in his lifetime, but that could take another 20 years. I felt (sorry to say) that he is the big love of my life! Since Lilith is being hidden in the 12th . Id appreciate any information. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. However, with so much 12th house a individuals, and then as a couple, can there be something more than We are fated, but we are meant to part. Reply. IP . Could be a seperation. My 12 is in Leo, along with my Sun, Mercury, Mars and Pluto. Everything you said is so on point. The higher powers are always tapping at the door, insisting on change, cleansing, and renewal from within (Pluto/Uranus in Virgo), but how do you do that if your connection to the other world and the higher powers are full of fear and resistant to the necessary dissolving that must occur (Saturn in Pisces). Both of us are on a spiritual path, which is very important to each of us. In Astrology, the planet Venus represents compassion, cooperation, beauty, and the Arts. What if the composite chart has two strong stelliums: one is made up of the outer planets in the 12th, the other Sun/Mercy/Venus/Juno in the 10th (and moon and mars are in the 8th). Astro-Seek.com Seek and meet people born on the same date as you . We work together, this relationship is definitely a karmic one, but now, after 1 one year of being together, there are some difficulties. I would need a full synastry to really answer your question. Hi Evelyne. You need a synastry reading to make sense of all this. With Libra in 12th House, your past life may not be that pleasant. I have composite sun and moon in house 12 with my brother. I cant make a decision of whether to stay or leave without more clarity it feels like we arent done learning what we need to learn together, but staying together in this state where she doesnt desire me is agony. Hi Dawn. Sometimes the path isnt easy to find, and we make lots of mistakes along the way. Moon in Aries/7th, Saturn in the 5th/Aquarius. Please enlighten me.. Usually, when the 12th house is heavily involved, whether it be a natal chart, a comparison, or a composite, the message is to let go. But my heart and mind keep telling me to fight again. so we find the True in each other. Besides, his vertex conjunct with my sun and oppose w/ my moon. Im trying to determine the karmic lessons we need to learn from this. But it was very devastating experience getting physical, it really failed the first time and we didnt try it again. Regine. You could unknowingly absorb all types of pain from the collective unconscious, making it difficult for you to be a member of the world. you are right on target- although I forgot to mention that our trine is in 4th,8th and 12th you are an amazing teacher and your articales on your site have helped me tremendously. Neptunes great teaching is that love is a powerful force in and of itself, and should not be used as a binder. One of my longest relationships featured a Lilith-Sun/Ascendant conjunction in synastry. cheers:). First of all, head to astro.com head to extended chart selection . And what does it mean our 12th. Even the sexual draw of 8th house connections can be replaced by more of them down the road, or by the excitement of the 5th. The fourth house is . Again, sadly, this being the 12th, most of the time the lesson is learning to love and then let go. However, when I examine our composite chart, I was shocked. It's so "behind scenes" that it freaks me out. thanks!! Aquarius rising at 29 degrees. I dont know whether this situation is karma? The midpoint chart reveals the relationship on another level entirely. oh gosh do not i know this! Lilith (M) 5 58' Leo . I often was a bit too demanding of her when it comes to intimacy and I wonder if this is about me learning to let go. And I learned a lot too. And you may then limit yourself for years, into oblivion. There is a certain someone whose natal Sun is in the 12 th, his sun also receiving a natal square from his Neptune. We are fated, but we are meant to part. Tendency to become a victim; cult of mystery; exploration of the suffering of others. Nothing in astrology dictates your decisions. It was helpful all of your comments about the rest of composite houses and I say Thank you again for this What the twelfth house demands of us always is that we give the ego a rest, but often challenges regarding the ego are exactly what we have to face with twelfth house planets. After our individual identity is explored through all the houses, in the 12th and final house, the personality dissolves into something larger. And now we come to the house that causes more furrowed brows than any other. We met one day and it was ON, mutual, and understood without saying word. Those of us with composite 12th emphasized will be asked to step away from the mundane and step into the world of the extraordinary, where unlikely connections are day to day things. Sun and Neptune both trine Lilith, who is in Pisces AND in house 12. It often helps to work together on projects they find meaningful, or to spend some time doing community or charity work. The Sun in 11th house synastry overlay creates an atmosphere of friendship between you. Natal Birth Chart Meaning. We met 3 months ago, and live 300 miles apart. (like your name too. VERY-VERY SORRY! I dont know why but i love him so much and sometimes I come up with things like dreaming of him to call me after a while he calls me. The Sun and Moon in the 7th house are especially encouraging for a new relationship (if you're single) because your main focus for the year (the Sun) plus your emotional concerns will be united in that area. what do you think it means to have such much weight in the 1st and 12th houses? That is really challenging chart I assume and I dont know whether I go for this guy or not. In our synastry chart, we also have exact Chiron/Venus opposition. The Mars/Neptune square did bring an element of slipperiness, but mostly irritating fibbing on his part. Forget about where his planets fall in your houses and instead, put your natal chart around the chart of the composite, then do the same with his. In traditional astrology, the 12 th house is known as the house of Bad Spirit. sounds pathetic, but thats just the nature of 12th house love; you cant downsize or decrease its feeling and meaning.. What a way to describe it ~ nebulous, yet mysteriously powerful influence on our lives or my life as far as i know, this was exactly how I confused myself in this short and intense relationship with an ex. I need help! I feel that our connection is a long term one over many lifetimes. I am at a point where Im in limbo and ready to let go if necessary, but I am paralyzed by the confusion and inability to understand whats at the root of what led us to this point. We also have composite Juno in Aquarius in the 4th house (opposing Mercury in the 10th and trining the Ascendant), and Venus tightly conjunct Saturn in the 11th (Leo). The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. Mars is involved too, which would indicate that passion, anger and aggression can be triggered by the darker, more unconscious feelings that emerged when the . Is Your experience the same? It depends on your Venus ' condition. Dont worry, Evelyne. When composite Lilith is placed in the eighth house of the composite chart, this makes the relationship between the two people very intense. I really feel like there is a wolf howling in a forest at night and I hear his call , I know I am the female wolf and that the call is for me and I have to go to him now. I mentioned Juno because it has a 1 degree conjunction with the Sun. .why is neptune conjunct sun so bad in composite? Is it a dream come true, or a big lie? It often helps to work together on projects they find meaningful, or to spend some time doing community or charity work. With composite Pluto in their 9th house, danger lies in dogmatism. so we find the True in each other. I read your article and its really touching! Arent these positive aspects good enough to sustain a relationship down-to-earth, telling me to forgive and try again or just simply blowing the matter worse and prolonging it?. The feelings I have for him, I feel, are something I just have to live with for the rest of my life. Dear Dawn, thank you for this amazing article. (Note that Jupiter is the natural co-ruler of the 12th, so it will behave in a Pisces-like manner, here.) We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. Oh the powers of the 12th house. Happy holidays and thank you for this article. Synastries (especially composite charts) are complicated and if confused (or you feel threatened) you should consult a professional. My life seems to cycle in and out of being able to bring that 12 house/Neptune energy into the everyday world. Venus (love) and Mars (sex) in the 7th House are a strong testimony as well. Your relationship usually starts out as a friendship or as "good friends". Comfy date, lots of laughter, he contacted me for a second date. In the composite only our venus and moon are conjunct in the 12th. The south node lies there on the natal composite. any input would be greatly appreciated!!! Its time to clean up the karma between you, according to the position of the Nodes in the composite chart. VENUS IN HOUSE TWELVE Venus in the 12th house cultivates a spiritually profound form of love and a desire to experience love on a higher level. Im trying to figure it out. Is this similar for composite ruler in 12th? The Sun person sees in the 11th house person someone, who they can spend pleasant time with. Here we are, older, everything so different now, lessons learned, and I am seeing that I cant undo the past. I know he is devoted to his son more maybe than to his wife but he cares about him as well because he is a very nice man. Was our purpose to heal each other? You need to work on bringing body and mind together, as a couple. Outer planets have to do with things that are beyond our control. 00 Angel Number, 00 Angel Number Twin Flame. (excuse my bad English) The feelings I have are much deeper than lust and infatuation. Composite Saturn is in the 1st. Thanks Dawn! In synastry, his Pluto is in my 12th conjunct my ascendent tightly, and I have nothing in his 12th. Thank you very much. The 12th House is also known as the House of mystery while Venus symbolizes intuition and artful . You explain the ineffable. Now I just have to sit and wait around where it is got to leave us! I thought that because of the 8th house or vertex, I forced him to confront his own dark side. i give it much meaning because i really feel a psychic connection and a karmic fate, but again that could be just me since i have a heavy neptune but nothing in my natal 12th. Its the last chance to get it right, and there will be a struggle to use this planets positive expression easily. We are happy when were together but he took a job 2 hours away and moved into our country house which I have now come to hate. I have gone through a long, long cycle of heartaches and have been able to slowly, heart-wrenchingly get over each and every one, except this guy. Thanks. Transit Pluto in the Composite 12th House. I have always been very attached to her and have had strong needs for physical intimacy which she has resisted. Find a way to bring the god down to the day to day world, so that it, too, is considered sacred. So my final question is which method should I look onto (composite or synastry) as they both seem to go into totally different directionsand is it possible to reveal our secret relationship even with composite 12th house? and he JUST asked me to lunch yesterday. Felt and feels karmic, but alas, it was definitely not meant to be.for now. Any insights you may have would be greatly appreciated! With 4, 8 and 12 emphasized, youll have to deal with one another in an emotionally honest way, no matter what karma you have to work out together. I feel there is no Karmic tie to this person, my intuition leans more towards twin flame type status. A share a composite chart with a stellium of planets (Sun, Mercury, Uranus, and Neptune) in the 12th house with cusp on Scorpio. His Saturn rules his moon and his ascendant, so it is a prominent planet, and as I said, he has Saturn conjunct his north node natally. Required fields are marked *, Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. The inner planets are where we liveso yes, the 10th house stellium will have more influence on a day to day basis, and then once in a while the outer planets will come out to grab us with whatever their issues are, particularly by transit or progression to the stellium/12th. I use both in my practice. This guy in my life puts Libra venus in my 12th (conjuncting my own Libra venus in 12th). let go or fight for it? yeah, i think we didnt invest much efforts in getting/staying togetherhowever, when I tried to pursue more, I felt as if I was more needy and I cared more about this relationship, as his respose to my efforts was quite blank and gruff. Sorry I cant get into too much detail here, but if your composite Sun is conjunct Saturn, Pluto and the Ascendant then you can only take comfort in the fact that the relationship is meant to be transforming and spiritually challenging. Lilith in 8 th house composite. When Venus occupies the 12th house, it highlights a more mature and sophisticated expression of love. You are interested in psychology, religion, spirituality too. However, the greatest truths will be revealed through periods of meditation and silence. Any insight you can offer would be greatly appreciated. I live in a kind of constant daydream /illusion of being near my beloved ghost I know this is not truth , but I dont know how I could do without. Sometimes we will be asked to make leaps of faith. It doesn't have to be a breakup. We romanticize all of this (and well, a little romance never hurt anyone) but the truth is that this familiarity is there to hurry up the bonding process so that the lessons and the challenges can be quickly assimilated. Definitely karmic and unbreakable. I cant stop the regretful feelings. Our midpoint composit cannot show any true about our relationship. Your email address will not be published. It shapes the relationship between two persons. 12th House seems to be the most frightening of all the houses to me, because the primal urge towards each other is such a deep and profoundly spiritual one, that you think, theres no way I could find this depth with another.