After review. Now if you could just pick up a first down on 3rd and 1, the Pats never get it back in the first place. With under a minute remaining in regulation time, Patriots' placekicker Adam Vinatieri kicked a 45-yard field goal to tie the game at 13, sending the game into overtime. 4. It's been 10 years, but the memory of the "Tuck Rule" game is fresh in some of the participants' minds, writes Greg Garber. According Paragraph 3036 of Marine Corps Order P1020.34G, which governs uniform regulations, wearing an olive-drab undershirt while in cammies is optional, though in the case of parades . First of all, I agree, its time for the ruled to be changed! When did the tuck rule first become effective? QB is trying to throw a screen pass, gets bumped, running back drops screen passfumble. Stay classyAwesome post (especially like you putting god in your postMind you it was a little g since you are probably a church going man). [wibbitz id=ba2b1026dd9d543798567c65a946e1b70 autoplay=false], Sign up for the For The Win newsletter to get our top stories in your inbox every morning. Periera is wrong. I've heard it as week 2 and also your later game against the Jets. You might wonder, why not just spike the ball? Everybody Knows Pats ring dont mean nothing. January 19, 2022 1:59 pm ET. Dont blame the refs for your teams lack of sack. Here's the official ruling, from section 22, article 2 of the NFL's rulebook. "[2] As for the Raiders, who are still salty about the call all these years later, their season would have been extended by about one week. Commentary on this game did not end after the season, the "Tuck Rule Game" has been debated since, with many, possibly even Brady, calling it a fumble. We prevented your team (assuming you would have beat the steelers ((big assumption by the way)) ) from embaressing yourselves for two consecutive superbowls. Jan 11, 2011 1:09 PM Once the arm has moved forward with ball in hand, it is a pass attempt even after the arm has stopped moving forward (even voluntarily), until the time when the ball is tucked away, which means presumably not just in the QBs hand but protected by an arm. Why? What has now become known as the "Tuck Rule" game was played on January 19, 2002. Uhh, I do believe it does make sense for the QB to be in the act of passing for it to be ruled an incomplete pass. Pulling the ball back is not passing and should be no different then a running back not securing the ball and getting it stripped away. It stated: NFL Rule 3, Section 22, Article 2, Note 2. After he had begun a passing motion, Brady clearly ceased his throwing motion, pulled his right hand down below his shoulder and had touched the ball to his left hand when, coming off the strong side corner blitz, Charles Woodson knocked the ball out of Brady's hands. i lilke the rule n think its a good one but wouldnt care to see it removed.. fumbles in general. A ten year mental lapse thanks Mike! Teams that were the victims of blown calls in big games? You must be logged in to leave a comment. Tom Brady should have to throw left handed if he hasnt thrown an INT in three games. Look at old game film highlights and you will never see a catch overturned that way. They had already lost in the playoffs and Mike Pereira and his crew of crooked and biased referees can go straight to hell for their ignorance! See my post before yours. "[1] Pereira said the rule came up in games about 12 to 15 times per season and explained that despite its unpopularity, the competition committee had been unable to come up with a better rule. worst call in history of sports. Brady began a passing motion, but then ceased, before tucking the ball with his left hand. Well start with Brady. But it was a rule. It's been 10 years since the infamous tuck rule game, and the rule itself reared its ugly . Vinny Testaverde drops back to pass and arm comes forward and he loses the ball. Wow man I didnt realize what crybabies Raiders fans are even after 10 years. Buy Raiders Tickets. It was a pump fake that he brought back to his body. Has no one here ever heard of the Competition Committee ? I am truly staggered by the impeccable logic and flawless analytical acumen demonstrated by your post. It would be easier to make the call based on where the ball lands, regardless of if the QB is throwing or not. At least not right away. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Cassells was the real tuck rule. The Raiderswent 10-6 and would have had to go on the road to Pittsburgh against the No. this way its absolutely fair for both teams (given that you can agree that his arm was going forward).. To me problem solved, its intentional grounding. I love how people act like the Pats won against the Raiders only because of the tuck rule. The nation was still recovering from 9/11. How would that be a fumble? The fact that so many Raider fans are still this upset tells me that things have evened out for that bad call in 1976. Not much would have changed for Belichicks legacy, either. New England ended up advancing into field goal range and an Adam Vinatieri 45-yard field goal sent the game into overtime. While the Patriots were slightly out of field-goal range, Brady dropped back to pass, with no open receivers. This rule is fine, its only the whining fans of teams that are unable to do their jobs well enough to win that want this rule changed. After NFL owners voted 29-1 to repeal the controversial Tuck Rule at the annual meeting in Phoenix on Wednesday, it is no longer in effect. They all need to be replaced and as far away from a football game as possible if they cant see thats a fumble. Raiders fans wont be happy until anti-incest laws are repealed. Wow! It was a call that was made exactly in the context of the rule, an admittedly bad rule which the competition committee has never thought wise to change. He admits he got lucky in the first one.Brady's first postseason win, with the 2001 Patriots, featured the infamous "tuck rule" in which the officials on the field ruled that he fumbled, only to have replay overturn it to an incomplete [more] Also, if the player has tucked the ball into his body and then loses possession, it is a fumble.". Tom Brady finally admits Tuck Rule play 'might have been a fumble'. Kicker? I have done this and Woodson blitzed off the corner, forced a fumble and greg beikert recovered it winning the game for the Raiders. Im sure its no consolation to the many Raiders fans around the country.. I am sure the rest of the world is a better place after seeing your post above. remember its the same ref that was in for the ravens vs raiders championship a year before when that fat lose goose broke gannons arm so the raiders would lose The Patriots should never had got that first Super Bowl. And after causing a number of controversies for over a decade more, the rule was finally abolished by NFL chiefs in 2013. The pain can still be felt. Unless the Raiders won a Super Bowl that season, he was going to Tampa. Instead of 4th and long with a little more than a minute remaining, it became first and goal. So enough with your fantasies that the Patriots won that game fair and square, with or without the rule. Defies every logic. Oh, how things might have changed if the play was ruled a fumble and not an incomplete pass on Jan. 19, 2002. January 16, 2019 10:09 pm PT. Either the QB throws it or they secure itdropping the ball is a fumble. It was the right call. Register now! poorpathaters says: Winning the infamous "Tuck Rule Game" is what propelled the young New England Patriots quarterback to his first Super Bowl victory in 2001. Simple. And at least they werent videotaping raiders sidelinesor did they?? They are the ones who make up these rules and train the refs in interpreting them. (Of course raiders sold the most merchandise back then and where a very popular team ..the league was not about to put NE in the superbowl they would have lost $$$ at the time). One fumble would not have stopped him from working hard on his game and developing as he did. [8] The only team to vote against the elimination of the tuck rule was the Pittsburgh Steelers, while the New England Patriots and Washington Redskins abstained from the vote. 1:13 pm ET. whats funny is this is the one rule i actually liked.. its funny because tom brady did it and it became a rule.. and now a fairly lesser popular Qb to say the least has the same thing happen in playoffs and it needs 2 be changed? I love how people act like the Pats won against the Raiders only because of the tuck rule. I said might. Had the Raiders been awarded the ball after the FUMBLE, those Patriot drives never take place. In 2018, Gruden returned to coach the Raiders after a 9-year stint as a television analyst. So what would have changed? ITS US AGAINST THE WORLD So if they rule its not a fumble then it should be ruled intentional grounding, with loss of that down, and ball placed at the spot of where the ball hits the ground. In March 2013, the NFL committee proposed to league owners that they vote to eliminate the tuck rule. Yeah, this is the problem. It would create fucking chaos 10x a game. The "tuck rule" grew in prominence in 2002, when an apparent Tom Brady fumble on this play was called back because of the rule. Then drop it. @tooz56 This solution also solves intentional grounding. That should have been a roughing the passer call with 15 yards and a first down instead of just a second down. period. Incomplete pass? The Raiders were robbed of another shot at the AFC title and a potential trip to the suber bowl. They say time heals everything, but this is still a touchy subject for the Raiders and their fans. Unfortunately, most fans will never take the time to see why the rule is there in the first place. Both teams struggled in the heavy snowstorm during the first half, combining for the same number of punts as first downs (11) and converting only one of 13 third downs. The Raiders went to the Super Bowl the next year, but were beaten by Gruden's Buccaneers, 4821 and the Raiders did not make the playoffs again until 2016. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. if i was a raiders fan my bedroom would look like finkels and my mother certainly wouldnt be giving out cookies at the door. Impossible. It was the right call. No choice but to respect the officials probably correct decision. That set the tone for two more Raiders Super Bowl victories in the following decade. This season marks the 10th anniversary of the famous "Tuck Rule" game between the New England Patriots and Oakland Raiders. Of course, I think downing the football to save the clock should also be ruled intentional grounding, since it is exactly what is taking place. "[1] The NFL's Competition Committee re-examined the rule after the season but did not change the rule. That said, my Raiders had multiple chances to stop them after that. How about game winning play by the defense. What a bullshit stupid motherfucking idea that was. So please, for the love of god, SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!! Tuck Rule AKA F@cked Rule because someone always gets F@cked as a result of this rule!! 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According to the exact wording of the rule, when a quarterback goes to pass the football, his hand is considered in throwing motion until the ball is completely stopped or pulled down in attempt to begin a run. end of story. Two games later, the Patriots won Super Bowl XXXVI. I have a very simple solution to this absurd rule: When the defender hits the QB, if the ball hits the ground behind the line of scrimmage it's a fumble. If the Raiders were that great how come they couldnt stop the Pats on one of the following plays ? Pereira sucks everytime he says how a challenge will go the ref comes out and does something completely different I dont care for that guy, WELL SAID theandy59 Im age 52 and watched that game myself Then the refs had the gall to add two unsportsman penalties, putting the ball on the five yard line, when in fact the game should have been over. But they didnt win. But there is no wording for pump, all it is intention to move the ball in a throwing motion, with no regard for the outcome of the movement. umm Big Ben is that you?? Wow. Cant have that! but hey, at least they didnt bring out the snow plow for their FG attempt-or did they?? if it was brady or peyton there never would of been this statement. His arm was going forward, he saw the pressure and tried to pull it back and take the hit. The 106 Oakland Raiders were the #3 seed and had beaten the Jets in an AFC wild card game, 3824. Everyone acts like they didnt drive down the field and have Vinatieri kick one of the most difficult field goals in league history, followed by driving down the field in OT to get another score. And in Oakland, does Jon Gruden stick around instead of getting traded to Tampa Bay and wining a Super Bowl there? [1] The Broncos eventually went on to win the game. The call was overturned upon review and ruled an incomplete pass, with the tuck rule cited. Get over it, pathetic Raiders fans. 2004-2023 CBS Interactive. Doesnt that now become a fumble because the passer held onto the ball past the predetermined point of a throwing motion? if 50 guys at the bar think it's a fumble, then it's a fumble. The owners abolished the rule with a 291 vote, with Pittsburgh Steelers the only team to vote against. Exactly! As a Patriots fan, I also support a rule change. Please check the opt-in box to acknowledge that you would like to subscribe. "The Tuck Rule Game." The ruling: an incomplete pass. It would make interpretation way more clear. The current rule reads: Passer Tucks Ball. Is hard reset only way to salvage Jets QB dilemma? With less than two minutes left to play, the Patriots drove the ball down the field. Also the fact that Pereria had to struggle with defending it FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS after the fact before finally COMING CLEAN only goes to prove the point that the Tuck Rule is a BAD rule (sorry Harrisonhits2 your logic above is as bad as usually). While New England and Washington voted to keep it, Pittsburgh voted to keep it. Allen stated that he heard the Patriots' play call. Im sure its no consolation to the many Raiders fans around the country.. [9], Raiders vs. Patriots ("Tuck Rule Game") (2001), Last edited on 27 December 2022, at 03:51, AFC divisional playoff game on January 19, 2002, "New York Jets at New England Patriots September 23rd, 2001", "Crookdnose's Favorite Football Memory: The Snow Bowl", "Bell: NFL Can Finally Tuck Away Horrible Rule", "2016 Official Playing Rules of the National Football League", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tuck_rule_(American_football)&oldid=1129789094, This page was last edited on 27 December 2022, at 03:51. Then, after a 33-yard punt by Walter gave the Raiders a first down on their own 49, a 22-yard reception by receiver Jerry Rice set up Janikowski's second field goal, from 45 yards, giving the Raiders a 133 lead with two minutes left in the third quarter. It applied if the quarterback moved his arm forward in a passing motion, but then changed his mind and tried to keep hold of the football rather than attempt a pass. Protect the ball and theres nothing to talk about. Plain and simple. While it appeared that Brady had tucked the ball back towards his body, the officials were not sure and ruled it a fumble so they could review the play. That is not a tucking motion That is already tucked. Sometimes you have to look past the ignorant terms and complex meanings inside a rule book and watch the damn play. Not a member? Updated. Losing on a fluke (and possibly bad) call is much more. But that aint what this is Einstein this is an ACCEPTED AND ESTABLISHED RULE that was PROPERLY APPLIED. (Of course raiders sold the most merchandise back then and where a very popular team ..the league was not about to put NE in the superbowl they would have lost $$$ at the time), As far as the tuck rule.. QBs dont deserve a free pass. Only once the forward motion of the arm is completed, and the ball tucked into the quarterback's body, would a subsequent loss of possession be considered a fumble. Later in the quarter, Patriots receiver Troy Brown returned Shane Lechler's 37-yard punt 27 yards to the Patriots 46-yard line. May 5, 2022 2:22pm. He then got hit and fumbled. The end of Tom Brady's long career arrived Tuesday as the seven-time Super Bowl champion announced his retirement from the NFL after 22 years. But yeah I agree with you, nowadays at least it wouldn't be overturned with the whole evidence thing. The tuck rule had been on the books for years, . Hearing Lewis say that the tuck rule is the only reason we know about a man who's won three Super Bowls, has twice been named NFL MVP (including the first-ever unanimous MVP), has made 10. Any ref who cannot see that is a fumble with more than one look should not have a job as a ref. [8], This was not the first time the Patriots had seen the tuck rule invoked in the 2001 NFL season. Brady posted his confession on social media, rekindling a 20-year debate in the NFL. Stanjamits simple if the Qb gets hit after a pump fake and loses the ball it is a fumble. Nope. I am so sick of hearing about the tuck rule. After two incomplete passes and a Brady scramble, Vinatieri came on to hit a game-tying 45-yard field goal through the snow with just 27 seconds left, a kick considered to have been one of the most difficult kicks in NFL history,[15] or the most "clutch-kick ever. No shiz-nit sherlock!! Charles Woodson on the blitz knocked the ball from the QB's hand and the Raiders retrieved it, with the on-field decision a fumble and therefore a win for Oakland. I question the existence of the Tuck Rule. Once he saw a replay, Coleman quickly reversed his previous ruling, telling ESPN it was an "easy" call. If the player loses possession of the ball during an attempt to bring it back toward his body, or if the player loses possession after he has tucked the ball into his body, it is a fumble. ", "10 highlights from Jon Gruden's Raiders news conference, including 'Tom Brady fumbled' Reference", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tuck_Rule_Game&oldid=1142353824, Sports competitions in Foxborough, Massachusetts, January 2002 sports events in the United States, 21st century in Foxborough, Massachusetts, All Wikipedia articles written in American English, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 1 March 2023, at 23:18. Im sure its no consolation to the many Raiders fans around the country., Keep the rule and let other teams feel the pain and sorrow I still feel from that cold wintry night 10 years ago. - For one, do you know anything about football? And the other Super Bowls he would have gone on to win would have sealed it. "Katniss, the girl who was on fire.", When I was younger, I scared my mother to death, the things I would blurt out about District 12, about the people who rule our country, Panem, from the far . While they were slightly out of field goal range, Brady dropped back to pass and dropped the ball after being hit by Woodson. The rule was properly applied, period. If it goes beyond the line of scrimmage it's an incomplete pass. Yes, keep the rule until each team has experienced it at least once. Even Brady said he fumbled. But after looking at replays the officials invoked the tuck rule, thus handing Brady back the ball and the chance to save the game. Pereira said Carey properly applied the rule as its written, just as Pereira has always said referee Walt Coleman properly applied the rule when he overturned what appeared to be a Tom Brady fumble in a playoff game against the Raiders nine years ago. Where is the arm at that point? [3] The call was overturned upon review and ruled an incomplete pass, with the tuck rule cited. What about Bill Belichick? The Jets tied the game with a field goal on that drive before going on to win 10-3. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. When [an offensive] player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his arm starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body. An existing rule was strengthened as a result of this. Referees initially called the play a fumble and awarded the Redskins a safety, but after instant-replay review cited the tuck rule in reversing the decision and calling it an incomplete pass. If the decision had remained a fumble, it would have almost certainly sealed the game for Oakland. But its not as if St. Louis would have replaced New England as the NFLs most successful organization. What is the tuck rule in NFL and why is it controversial? The rule, applied to game play, makes absolutely no sense. More like the Raiders started getting worn down near the end of the game, couldnt stop the Patriots offense or convert key third downs when it mattered. If the ball lands in front of the QB, its an incomplete pass. are you still mad because Seymour loosened up your fat schnozz for the Ravens to bust it open like a pinata at a bday party?? But screen passes and checkdowns are relatively common. With 1:12 left in the first quarter, a 15-yard fair-catch interference penalty against Patriots defensive back Je'Rod Cherry at the end of Ken Walter's 39-yard punt gave Oakland a first down at midfield, where they drove to a 70 lead on Gannon's 13-yard touchdown pass to James Jett. Roughing the passer? That gave Brady the starting role over veteran Drew Bledsoe entering the 2002 season and the rest is history. Someone should let the Raider fans know their pathetic defense had about 20 more chances to stop the Patriots on that amazing night. And, no, he would not have lost his job after coughing the ball up. No waitMost likely the Steelers would have thrashed the Patriots in the AFC Championship gameOh well. Thats what happened. During ESPN's new 30 for 30 documentary called, "The Tuck Rule", the future Hall of Fame quarterback admitted that if he didn't lead the New. As it happens, his last game involved the Patriots. Not only was it a season-changing event for a Raiders team that had the potential to go down as Super Bowl champions, but it . Brady rushed in for a touchdown to cut the lead to 13-10. "The tuck rule was called in Week 2 of an NFL regular season matchup on September 23, 2001, between the New England Patriots and the New York Jets. These situations should have been ruled fumbles all alongthe tuck rule has caused unnecessary controversy.